Feline Infectious Peritonitis

[Daveyo]

Kirby and others who have the wet FIPV, here is the Dx to save your cat. Remember this will not cure the cat of the wet FIPV disease but will control it and stop it and allow the cat to live a normal life span.

DO NOT STOP GIVING THIS OR THE DISEASE WILL COME BACK WITH A VENGENANCE. Trust me.

Kirby

Its ok, both Dr. Sears and I have been having server problems and our mails were disappearing into cyberspace.


ANYWAY, I called him and discussed it finally and here is the Dx. And this is the safe range. Do not undercut it or over do it.

For wet FIPV it is 100mg daily for life. Do not stop it or it goes right back to what it was before the disease. This is not a cure but it controls this disease and keeps the cat alive and healthy.

So make sure you give it that candy of quinine daily every 24 hours and don't miss it a heartbeat. This means you will need 365 of these pills a year and every year your cat is alive!!!!!!!!! The cost????????

The cat will not develop a resistance to it as far as I know. So your in luck there. Field tests show good results.

It has nothing to do with weight or size. That said and done.

Give it the quinine once you get it.

Daveyo

[Marnixowner]

To Daveyo,
I have tried to contact Dr. Sears at the address you have given a number of times twice and have had no responce. I am desperate to source the atabrin need to medicate my cat. I have been to a veterinary specialist who has put out messeges on an online international veterinary board and the responce has been that no one has any reason to think this drug is a legitimate therapy. This is not your local vet but one of the top feline specialists in the uk. Unless someone can come forward with information on how this drug has been found to be effective then I can only presume that this is nothing more than a dead end and most probably just a very cruel hoax.
If any one reading this has been able to use either of these drugs for wet or dry FIP and has found it to work then I would ask you to please come forward so that genuine veterinary practitioners can make an informed decision on whether to try this 'cure'. If anyone has any experience of these drug snot working then I would also like you to come forward.

[Daveyo]

Dr. Sears is able to get it in California. The source I do not know but I will ask him for you. Also I don't know if such can be shipped overseas?????? It should since it is an antibiotic anti-malarial drug. It does not fall under the dangerous category.

The response your getting from that specialist is common and the answers they are giving is also the same even from regular VETS. They have not done any research on it except what Dr. Sears and I know about, and we have proven results. No hoax at all. I will not post anything in any forum or tell anybody if something does not work. I maintain that in strictest protocol. It makes absolutely no sense at all to give people or animals any hope if something is not proven to work with good results. I try to follow the basic FDA guidelines of USA and for the most part we test it and test it, and get information down and then if it is successful, and the disease goes into remission and it remains in that position, then I will do my best to report it as well as Dr. Sears.

Dr. Sears went to a big Moab VET conference just 2 weeks ago, and not one of the collegiate VETS there expressed any interest in cures for the animals, yet we presented movies and pictures, and it was all talk but no action. Go figure. He even spoke to some super researchers there, and not a bite. If there is no money in front of their faces, they will not bother. Last of all since we are on the bottom of their totem pole, field experts, they definitely HATE one upmanship coming from us since they are the ones not coming up with the cures, and they have a lot of money at stake as well. You have to know how they work and of their system then it will shock you and you then will understand what I have been saying here and of what Dr. Sears has been saying all along.

It has now become a business and it involves millions of dollars and their specific purposes is to make as much as they can and slowly filter out cures on a slow basis as to not kill their income source. I got this straight from the IVIS group which is a registry for VETS and top researchers.

Marn, many of these researchers and VETS will not tell you especially the real hidden agendas that they are involved with much less tell you if they know this or that. If there is no money or any piece of the pie for any of them, they will take a pass and show absolutely no interest.

What is even worse is they are told to gouge customers left and right and hit customers with the MAX and milk them for as much as they can before giving you the sad news and passing you off to some University to finish off the toppings of your finances as well. This is one of the ways that they avoid LAWSUITS. One involved a Distemper case being charged over 4 grand, another being charged over 4 grand for a Parvo case. This is recent and it is posted here in this forum.

Over 80% of the VETS and researchers in business today are in it for the money and not in it to cure and help animals and the people as well. This is a bonifide and authentic fact.

Just to do one specific exam for us say CAT FIPV Dry type and take Atabrine and test it, it will cost 10 grand a week, 40 grand a month and probably will take a good 6 months or 240 grand before submitting the positive results. Do you or anybody have that kind of money???????

Come towards the end of the year I plan on doing what I said above here, just that and even more. I am going to bust this wide open and expose them left and right. The PUBLIC have a right to know about the cures now available but those who come up with the cures like Dr. Sears and I are in fact being SILENCED by a specific elite group of top guns involved with the FDA and Drug Manufacturers because if all these cures come out they will lose a lot of business and the donation factors will hit the bottom of the can. In fact someone just recently sued the FDA for not allowing the cure information to come out which would have saved someone. Go figure.

I plan on breaking this business machine of theirs in half. I have the evidence to back it up. Pure conclusive and concrete evidence.

It would be interesting to see who their spokesperson will be that defends them. Then you will know who and what kind of machine Dr. Sears and I are up against.

It is not Dr. Sears or I giving you a cruel HOAX. IT IS THEM!!!!!. We are doing our best to HELP YOU and pass on the right information and results to you and others and to let all of you know what cures is available and or helps, and all of this is pure medicine and no herbs or voodoo, or natural crap. Understand???????

I don't think you have any idea of what is going to happen once I expose them wide open. You can bet many will come back and attack me like sharks, but guess what I will have the legitimate proof in my hands and have physical evidence and documents to back all of it up and shove it down their faces and throats at the same time.

They will definitely have a PR disaster in their hands. A lot of heads are going to roll and many will go into hiding to avoid the super backlash coming from the public itself.

My objective is to change the specifics of protocols of reporting cures and notifying all VETS and Doctors alike, and getting even experimental results published so that people and animals alike can have some hope of possible cures depending on their situation and also obtain the cures needed to stay alive and be healthy again as well. Both sides of the coin, not just one side. Also I want to break down the power house of regulators who silence us completely apart.

If they want it to be a business, then I will make it a business for them as well as for the PUBLIC and the Insurance companies and the others that are involved too. So be it. My motto > Payback time so make my day!!!!!!!

Both Dr. Sears and I are old and retired but we have so much knowledge and the time to research all this and test it, and look at old manuals and see what works and does not work, and have nothing to lose here and I hope that my actions benefit those in need and want to live both for humans and animals as well. The Mayo clinic is well aware of my discovery of controlling the Autoimmune system and its Deadly T cells!!!! They have an interest in it, but not as much right now, but I know they will be knocking at my door soon because their experiment is not going to work without obtaining my KEY so to speak. They will need my key for it to be a success. bottom line. Why, because I know what is involved here. So, right now I sit back and wait until they put their tail between their legs and say something to me.

I will ask Dr. Sears where he gets the ATABRINE, and maybe get the contact as well and pass it to you and hopefully you can get it. Hmmmm, come to think of it, I will check here where I am at to see if any is available. If so, how much do you want?????, besides yourself and maybe you can be a source for others who will need help as well. Give it a thought and let me know. I just thought of it now. Heck I will also check on the Quinine as well. We can work out an arrangement via Banks for payment if that is not a problem for you. I can ship it out no problem if I find some here or both. I will look today.

I heard JNZ here had some possible outside source as well in USA. Make contact with him and ask him to assist you.

Daveyo

i will let you know from Dr. Sears pronto.

[jbh]

My 4 month old kitten has the wet variety of FIP. I will ask my vet to prescribe quinine. If I have trouble getting the quinine, does anyone have a source in California? Has anyone (Kirbyman, perhaps) had success with this treatment?

[jbh]

What else do we need to do beside giving him the quinine? Do we first remove the fluid which has built up in his abdomen, or does that dissipate over time?

[Daveyo]

Have you found the quinine? Have you been giving the quinine to the cat??

It has been quite a while since I last heard from you so I have to first find out the latest update from the last to now. If you have found the quinine and has been giving it to the cat, it should have been checked by the VET first for the fluid build up. In cases that has to be removed first if possible. Yes quinine will work but again there are some cats that it will not work on due to their genetics.

As I previously said before quinine is not a sure cure solution but currently the only solution to at least stabilize the huge antibody build up the cat is developing due to the disease. On the dry type Atabrine is the cure solution and gets rid of the problem. The wet version is the hardest of the two versions to cure.

Please go see a vet for a complete specific exam on the fluid buildup and investigate what the problem is. It could be something else besides FIP. Get it checked out.

Daveyo

[jbh]

Our 4 month old kitten, Elmo, has been checked by a vet and definitely has the wet variety of FIP. The vet extracted abdominal fluid and sent it to a lab. We had Elmo's brother, Teddy, tested as well. He is a carrier of FIP, but has no negative symptoms. The problem started after they received their second Feline Leukemia vaccination. Teddy had no reaction, but Elmo was lethargic and had trouble walking. The vet gave him a steroid shot, and he seemed fine. However, about a week later, we noticed he was getting "fat." It turned out that fluid was building up in his abdomen. Tomorrow the vet will drain the fluid from his abdomen, and we will try your suggestion of 100mg of quinine daily (we located a compounding pharmacy). Anything else we should do? Any negative side effects? Will fluid build up again that we need to drain? We'd appreciate any additional insights you can provide. We'll keep you posted of progress. Thanks, in advance, for your help.

[Daveyo]

Hi jbh, the health forum had a problem and it crashed.

Anyway regarding your Elmo after you drain the fluid, once you get the quinine going, it should stablize your kit friend from having problems. Remember its for life, and as of side effects very much doubt it.

Just don't stop once you start. OK, because if you stop it comes back with a vengenance and be right back where it was and probably more.

It should lead a pretty decent life. As of the other being a carrier, don't let it have any kitties.

You best get this started on your Elmo soon. It will not be able to take this disease on its own much longer. OK. So get going on the quinine.

Daveyo

[jbh]

Thanks for checking in. The vet removed 150cc (about 1.25 lbs) of fluid from Elmo on Friday. We then gave him 100mg of quinine. He was a bit disoriented for an hour after taking the quinine, but that was probably due to the fact that he had not eaten much that day. After eating, he was better. We gave him 100mg of quinine on Saturday and today (Sunday) as well, with little negative reaction. However, it seems that some fluid is building up in his abdomen again. Will we need to drain his abdomen again? Will the fluid build up be slower? Will it eventually stop building up? We have also been giving Elmo about 400mg of vitamin C each day, as the antioxidant is meant to help combat the virus. Any problem with giving him both the vitamin C and the quinine? Thanks again for your help!!!

[Daveyo]

hi

As of the quinine, it takes time for it to get a foothold on the immune system and it will basically slow it down and then it will stabilize. What I mean is on stabilize it will not build up fluid but basically stay neutral in the twlight zone. Between full cure and progression.

Now keep in mind my friend, only 75% of the cats respond to this postitively. So there is a 25% that your cat will not respond due to its genetic factor. This part we cannot control and neither can you.

If your cat is the lucky one and it responds, then you will be OK. If not, quinine will prolong its life but eventually the disease will nail it to the cross. Sorry about saying this but I have to be straight and let you know the facts whether or not we like to hear it. This is reality.

Overall in the cat field very little research has been done to deal with such diseases. Don't ask me why because most researchers focus more on dogs than on cats. Main reason is dogs is more related to human diseases. Cats do not relate to the human side thus less interest.

I pulled all stops regarding the FIP. That is the best I am going to get under the circumstances. The wet version is such a toughie it boggles the mind.

As I said before FIP in cats is an immune problem of which the cats own antibodies build up way and above the necessary levels needed. Thus the over amount of antibodies which in turn start to plug up the organs and blood itself and it causes fluid build up. What you are seeing is very similar to like what the bird flu will do to humans in the lungs. Now you understand.

Come to think of it, hmmm "bird flu=FIP" similar situation of fluid build up, means you need immune suppressant drugs which I know only 3 of them work and antiviral drugs to combat the after effects.

Now this part was not tried out. Just wondering if there is some connection here.

Ok mention this to your VET and have him look up the medical books for immune suppressant drugs. Then if he can take some samples of your cats virus, and send down some test drugs of the immune suppressant and have the lab check to see if any of those work. It is worth a try. If one of them works great, but you also have to be careful here. Immune suppressant means complete stop to the immune system.

We then need to find a way on how to control the antibody release to normal levels. This is the autoimmune factor that is inside the brain area. Hmmmm

Now you see what is involved here. This is what researchers do.

If you get that far, then you have to compute the medicine factor to find out when too much is too much and too little is too little, and find the happy medium that will work on cats of many varieties and their different genetic factors. There is weight and various sizes etc and side effects factors.

Only then can you have somewhat an answer. At this point you need some test cats to find out if it works. The trial takes a good 30 days to be on the safe side minimum and 50-60 days for official confirmation if the disease is gone or under control or what.

Then such Dx is given out.

That is what we did for the dogs and for the cats.

For researchers to devote their time on this is asking a hell of a lot. That is why it is expensive.


Daveyo