Feline Infectious Peritonitis

[Daveyo]

Basically yes, just check with a pharmacy. Sometimes these trade names can throw off most people but to answer your question you need the anti-malarial drug.

Atabrine, and Quinacrine > Quinacrine is from the trade name of Atabrine. Atabrine is from Atabrin. All the same format but a bit different DNA readings and properties but basically the same line.

By the way if in USA, you need to get a Dx from a VET to obtain one and make sure this Dx has no expiry date meaning you need not have to keep going to the VET all the time if he short changes the Dx.

So count up all the tablets that I have given and let the people know OK and ask specific for Atabrin and let the pharmacy match it up for you whatever they got. It has to be in the same line.

hope this helps.

So if you like you can take over this forum for FIPV and if you need help just jump into Canine Distemper and drop me a note there. Base of what I read coming from you, you have been doing your homework and should have enough knowledge to guide the other desperate souls in need.

So if you remember the song ""Carry on my wayward son"" the lyrics mean don't you cry no more for the cats. nice huh meow.

Daveyo

[Daveyo]

As an addition to prior posts, this comes out to about roughly 21 pills total to treat the cat if using Atrabrin.

Daveyo

[Marnixowner]

Hi Daveyo, Could you please tell us a little more on you're qualification and how you are involved in the developement of these therapies. As the owner of a cat which most probably has a seriously reduced life expectancy I am willing to try anything that may help him. However as the side effects of antimalerial drugs can be quite serious I am reluctant to do anything that will risk making him further unwell. This sounds very hopeful and I look forward to hearing more on your findings.

[Daveyo]

Okkkkkkk, alright, to answer your questions. Hmmm, this drug does not affect the Cats that much at all as for side effects, then again one never knows and you bump into one that does, which then you have basically only two options to use either the Serum which gives the titer readings of 1/1600 which is not bad and gives decent immunity for a good spell just like what NDV will do and give a reading of 1/1600. Basically the cat will be immuned for life but do check by the year 12 to see where that titer count is. I would do it every two years if you do the Serology injection. I will post here how to make the serum since it is a bit different the process compared to making such for a dog using the NDV.

How we know all this, well a few things can add up > looking at past manuals dating back 40 + years, taking samples and taking vaccines and see what it does under a micronscope, and another doing it field wise if we see good results from the scope, and some of these discoveries was done by being pushed into a corner with no other options left only to find out that our last shot option actually works, and also by pure chance making a mistake during a formula process dictated by the Journals!!!!! and doing it via the field way as well.

Basically we do the very same kind of work like the big research companies do but we do it a bit differently by tossing this and tossing that into the viruses to see what shows up doing it by random means.

The problem with the cat side is most of all viruses that the cats get is not close to the human side, whereas the dogs is close to human side. That is why you see more progress being made on dogs and humans, rather than on Cats and there is not enough researchers working at that part of the field as well. We do dip into it but it is twice as hard because the cat viruses are extremely very resistant to most drugs due to a much different DNA, and if we get any antibodies out of it, basically it is a complete new ball game.

So we let the big researchers spend their money and wait for their reports and we check it out to see if such has any possiblilty against known animal diseases. The biggest threat now to not only animals but to humans as well there has not been any real progress made in making vaccines to prevent future animals and humans from being infected. Yes this is true. If you follow the CDC they have been warning everybody for quite some time. We are really close to the bottom and running out of gas for the defense structure. These viruses are mutating and getting stronger and becoming more resistant. As an example the Parvo F strain. There is no cure here. Another is Rabies which has been around for a very long time, and it is so resistant to most everything it is deadly yet we got lucky to come up with a vaccine to stimulate the immune systems on dogs and cats against the virus and most importantly if we catch it, our human side immunity responds fast enough to stop it from killing us and destroying our brain.

We became more interested in Cytokines rather than interferons. Now cytokines is extremely very powerful, and it is like say your on the Enterprise and you command your ship to go Hyper drive. Zip and gone. Well the serum and the NDV creates a huge cytokine storm so fast that the viruses do not have a chance to set up its own defense perimeters and it gets wiped out very quickly thus saving the animal who had a response but it was way too slow to defend itself.

On the other hand such as bird flu, well the disease VIRUS itself creates a super huge cytokine storm which kills humans because it is so fast and literally overloads our human immune systems, the lungs fill up with fluid and we basically drown to death from our own fluids. (Completely the opposite) Tamiflu does not stop bird flu. Only immune suppressants will stop this super cytokine storm and save your life from the bird flu virus. There are a few Doctors and researchers besides us that is very much aware of this yet the smarts say otherwise. Right now we have yet to figure out which suppressants work best to slow down this huge cytokine cascade storm. Yes we have seen good results but not enough to really put the brakes on it fast enough. Hopefully we can figure this out before its too late. We cannot take it before it hits us or it will also kill us too. So, the timing of getting it is most essential and only if you have that virus. The bird flu virus is very difficult to detect especially in the beginning and it is dangerous itself. This description alone sort of tells you how the researchers are handcuffed here. Can do it but cannot take it in advance etc and etc.

No your cat can get a good life expectancy if you follow what I just said here and use that anti-malarial drugs. Most cats will respond very well with it.

The bottom line is this. If you don't give this treatment a try (and I know it is very hard on you to believe) the cat will die because it already has the death sentence on its head. If anything, if you do try, then the cat will live and you can put this disease into remission. The cat and you have no other choice and your stuck in the corner, and most VETS are resigned to being beaten and give up, so what I do is say hey come out and let me help you I have something to save your cat medically and not holistic or anything else. Of course your going to be so scared because you don't know me and that is expected, but what other choice is there if you want your cat to be healthy again and to see the next sunrise??? I don't like letting a virus beat me if I can do something about it as well as my Doctor friend in USA. We both think the same and believe in the same.

Did you know that my friend and I already know that Senator Edward Kennedy can have his disease cured!!!!!!!! Yet the smarts and Mr. Kennedy are resigned to his fate. Nothing I can do to reach them but he can live. I detest such resignation of a fate that can be cured but how to tell a Harvard expert otherwise or it make him look like an idiot or fool in front of the public.

They don't have time to read, and its already in the human literature books. For Gawds sake. That is why we look at books and manuals and material that is out there all the time. What is the cure>>>>>take a guess>>>>>NDV!!!!!!!!! Yep believe it or not. It also cures cancers in the Brain and in the Stomach so far that we know besides the deadly disease called Measles in humans and in dogs and possibly MS as well. Now that vaccine does a lot of things with only one drawback. It can only be used one time and that is all. Yet it has a lot of potential itself besides curing chickens.

Cats on the other hand do not repond to NDV. go figure. This part is the bad news. I wish I can proudly say otherwise but nope. We have tried that route no success. But we did find something for you and your cat and I posted it.

My friend and I are basically retired experts. Lot's of experience and its soon going to disappear once we kick the bucket as well like everybody else. But there is hope because we are going to leave our material and knowledge available for someone to pick up where we left off. Who, we have no idea????? So...........

I hope this is sufficient to suit your needs and comforts you in some way. The rest is up to you. I can only tell you, and the rest is up to you to finish it and win against a virus. The victory is you and the cat.

Oh as of the findings in more greater detail it is huge and I am not going to put all that down here. My time is limited. I generalized it in one small synopsis of it and it works and most cats respond very well to the treatment.

Daveyo

If you have questions do write back.

[Marnixowner]

Thank you for your quick reply. Is this serum available?

[Daveyo]

This serum is not, > how shall I say it available on the shelfs of Vets. This has to be made and such has to come from a donor Cat of mixed breed that is healthy and has no disease or defects. Finding such and then meeting the rest of the criteria > age and vaccination history all completed really puts a damper thus limiting the options as well. Then you got the owners of these special cats to convince as well to cooperate let alone understand your intentions. If you get this far, then you need to find a VET or some animal medical practitioner that has the right equipment to make it. Last of all the timeline of the exact hour is most critical to extract it out of this donor cat via the jugular vein of the Cats neck. Problem is Cats don't have that much blood to offer. Hmmmmm Last of all I don't know where your located but in the USA transporting serum has Federal restrictions. Making serum is best but the damn government got involved and clamped down on it. So for the most part such has to be made quietly and under the table. I suspect the smarts were behind it as well and they knew it had very good potential to cure animals, not to mention the drug manufacturers crying like babies in the meantime. This is the very same problem when making the serum for dogs, against Canine Distemper but in the situation of Dogs, they don't have as much time as Cats do. The owners have less than maybe 2 weeks to save the dogs life, so therefore NDV is the quickest way to save them because finding a donor dog is the same for the cats as above and it might take well over a month just find one donor meeting all the proper criteria's.

So for now use the Atabrin which you can get at any pharmacy store. This also will put the disease into remission as well and most cats start feeling better by the 48th hour!!!! When I have some time I will post the Serum protocol of which you can copy and hope you have some luck with it. Like I said it will be hard to do unless there are plenty of cats in your neighborhood and that the choosing is fabulous with many meows to participate in the venture.

Daveyo

[Kirbyman]

[quote="Daveyo"]So for now use the Atabrin which you can get at any pharmacy store.
This also will put the disease into remission as well
and most cats start feeling better by the 48th hour!!!![/quote]

Hello Daveyo,
I am from Belgium, and have looked to find Atabrin/Atabrine/Quinacrine all over,
but it seems not to be found, can't find it online anywhere either, not even in the US.
So, if you know of a place, be it a website or other, let me know please, thanks.

I have a 1 year old kitten diagnosed through abdominal fluid test with FIP.
And may I ask what you think of the option to use something called interferon?
I have heard American vets state it is useless, yet certain European vets
give it a decent chance of curing FIP (25 to 33%).
Needless to say that your method would be much better...
if I could get my hands on it, that is!

Greetings, Dimitri.

[Daveyo]

Hi Kirby

Please look in the website and type in Atabrin etc. From there you might see a site that will tell you the various names that the main drug Atabrin is under. This is the drug itself and most times it is under a different name. I noticed that myself, but any pharmacy should know the drug itself named atabrin, so they have to look up what brand name it is under. It varies. Different brand names at different countries. I don't know Belgium much less read or understand it but your darn good in writing English, so congrats to you.

First ask the Pharmacy (this key word ""Antimalarial"") Drugs they have. Once they tell you then look at the ingredients and one of them (if they have a few different ones, one of them will contain all atabrin, and or the other words. If not hit the hospitals because they most definitely will have it or know precisely what your looking for. At the moment I don't have my medical drug list here that will tell me what other brand names it is under.

I will ask Dr. Sears to see if he has anything on the Europe side and will let you know. For Example say one is looking for Pyrantel (a heart worm drug that is most effective) I come across Mezatrin that has it where I am at. Weird but that is how its sold here under that name. Understand??

So I don't know what names Belgium is using to find Atabrin. Hit the phone book as well and make a few calls. Sooner or later you will find it. If you do let me know.

Daveyo

[jnz]

Atabrin is not commercially available in the US. Atabrine, which according to Daveyo is substantially the same thing is still used to treat cancer in rare instances. What I have found is: Its main use was to combat Malaria but other drugs have made it obselete. Since there is not a big need for it, you need to find a compounding pharmacy to make it for you. A compounding pharmacy is a pharmacy which specializes in mixing/making rare drugs. I found a veterinary compounding pharmacy in New York State, should I ever need it. Daveyo, I would really like to hear how Atabrin affects FIPV. I apologize since I have already asked twice, but both times you have stated how FIPV affects the immune system of the cat with no further explanation. Can we conclude that Atabrin somehow stops the immune response?

[Daveyo]

Thanks jnz for your help. I was just going to tell the other person same thing. Actually it is true, it is a old anti-malarial drug. Mainly goes by the name Atabrine!!!! Atabrin was the original name but it was changed to Atabrine. go figure. Anyway yes you have to go to a druggist/pharmacy to get this done or made or if by chance some of this might be laying someplace at the back part of a druggist shelf. One never knows. For the most part jnz, the well is running dry. We are now using very old drugs that seem to work whereas the new drugs today have no effect.

What happens is you got some old drug and over time the researchers watered it down taking this and that out that is not needed to suit another kind of purpose. What they don't realize is they are reducing the drugs full potential and weakened it to becoming nearly useless. They will make many different kinds of reasons why the new drug is better and render the old drug obsolete. Atabrine was common in the 40's and 50's. Today hmmmm, looking around where is it kind of deal. Atabrine of old is not as effective against malaria today because the virus mutated rendering it nearly useless. Hence its retirement. However when combine with certain other anti-malarial drugs > wow is the best I can describe it. It gives very bad side effects to humans, but it sure fire kills Dengue which is so difficult to stop. I am not going any further about that topic lest someone try it and sigh, can die from it too. This was sent to certain researchers, and they said we were crazy and doing voodoo, yet they see it give good results, but the mix is deadly. They are still trying to break it down its properties work with the various combinations etc. Still a long way to go yet.

To answer your question, your wrong. It stimulates the immune response, not stop it. Basically a small cytokine immune response storm. Small that is, but enough to kick it into gear. The drug has the capability to penetrate the virus and creates a T response to destroy it. Now this virus does not cause the immune response to destroy its own good cells. That is what Canine Distemper virus does and that is why Distemper was so hard to stop. Now, not all cats get lucky because some of these cats have a high resistance against Atabrine!!!! Why and how we do not know yet. We believe the genetics play a big role on this issue. This is rather peculiar because on one hand this cat is sick with the disease and on the other hand its immune system is rejecting the Atabrine and not the other way around. However finding a cat like this is not often and it variates on all breeds of cats, so I have to say this cure is 95% certain with the allowance some cats immune system will reject (not respond is what I am saying) to get the virus. The only other solution is to make the serum itself and its the sure thing. Making this one is a real toughie, and the timing has to be absolutely precise or it has no effect.

Example to make the serum for Canine Distemper first you need a very healthy dog that has a good mixed breed, fully vaccinated and less than a year old and have no physical problems of any kind and no genetic defects. Then the NDV is injected into this healthy dog. We have to wait 11 hours. When the 11th hour comes we have only 1 hour to extract the blood to get the serum from a jugular vein. Once the 12th hour arrives, after that it is no good. Then you have the serum once the blood separates itself in the bottle. What the person needs is the top layer only. Now that is the holy grail to stop the virus such as canine distemper and it can be used for the other diseases such as fading puppy syndrome, Respiratory herpes, kennel cough and even stomach cancer in dogs. NDV can only be used once but the serum can be used more than once.

Now the window and the timing for the cat is extremely very small indeed. One needs to be fast and all prepared. The criteria for such cat is the same. Problem is many cats have some genetic defect of some kind or another. I am sure you might know about Persian cats. Nice fluffy white furry cat with blue eyes and for all practical purposes it is healthy as can be. Huh, hey my cat is deaf. Well there you go. I will post this up later.

What your asking for is the medical jargon and I don't know if you understand it.?????? If you still want to get this (and your going to get lost in it) go to my site at [moderator note: website address has been removed] and register there. Once I see you make a post on the general for registered users. Then I will give you the data of what we know. I know what is coming a ton of questions but.... I don't mind if you want to learn.

Keep up the good work jnz. Till then

Hmmm just thought of something. Perhaps you can help this person and get some made and send it to them if they cannot find someone to make it. You can use a bit of ingenuity to get it delivered.

Daveyo


Subject: Bawling Temper - Happy member.
Recently a dog was saved from distemper. The owner was crying their eyes out and begging a lot. So the dog was saved and guess what. Have not heard from that person again. go figure. Not even a thank you either, so that is how it is.

Some people have very short memories.